In this episode of The Striking Corner, Eric and Vinny speak with our good friend Phoenix Carnevale! Phoenix is a passionate follower of all things hip-hop, martial arts, comic books, movies, superheroes, etc. She is an actress, fight commentator, martial artist, fight journalist, and she is also the host of Everlast’s In Fighting Shape podcast.
An avid MMA fan, Phoenix has interviewed top UFC fighters such as Jon Jones, Ronda Rousey, Frankie Edgar, Georges St. Pierre, and many more…in this episode the guys talk about MMA, the culture of MMA, and how Muay Thai and Kickboxing are falling short in the marketing game compared to the seemingly unstoppable juggernaut that is MMA. They also discuss women in MMA and Combat Sports. Phoenix has a lot of great insight and the conversation was great. Check it out!
Ognjen Topic recently fought Muay Thai legend, Saenchai, last month at Yokkao 22 in Honk Kong and unfortunately, lost by decision. There aren’t many Farangs that are given much of a chance in the minds of Thai boxing fans when matched-up against the +400 fight veteran but then again, Topic is regarded as ‘one of the best technically gifted Thai fighters’ of the current crop (by none other than Damien Trainor who, was coaching at CSA Gym during November).
However, Topic himself was the first to admit that the fight didn’t unfold anywhere as what he would’ve liked or had planned:
“I’m not happy at all about the fight but we’re talking about a guy that’s been doing it for a very long time and he has quite a bit more experience than I do so, I’m trying to stay positive. It’s difficult especially when you’re competitive individual.”
“Before the fight and during the fight I felt great mentally, physically you know. I didn’t look at him as some, some god of Muay Thai. I just looked at him as an opponent and I prepared myself as I always do. I went into the fight with the mentality of winning and even when I was in the fight, you know it was difficult, I still wanted to beat him so, that’s that.”
It’s interesting that Topic mentioned the ‘mentality of fighting’ because not only is it fair to say that fighting is 99% in the mind but so is having the self-belief and aptitude in achieving our life goals and dreams too. Self doubt can really cripple fighters mentality; a good example of this would be the way how pro boxer, Nicholas Walters surrendered after six rounds against Vasyl Lomachenko, over the weekend in Las Vegas. Topic explained what he does away from the gym in his spare time to help him mentally with moving forward in his fighting career.
“Another thing I like to do is sometime if I have some downtime is I go on YouTube and look up documentaries on any businessman. You know I like I’m into cars so I’ll go look up the guy that started the company Koenigsegg, you know an exotic car company or Pagani. So, you kinda just listen to how they talk and how they began these things, their story and their dreams and how everything came to fruition. Then it kinda you know puts things into perspective you can follow this steps as well from other people and then you can learn from them.”
“So it really doesn’t matter what profession it is, you can always take something away from any I guess, elite person, on that high level that has that mentality to be persistent and dedicated to their craft.”
Simon Marcus vs Joe Schilling
Muay Thai is one of the oldest forms of fighting and as a professional sport, doesn’t gain the high levels of mainstream media coverage compared to pro boxing. The likes of Joe Schilling and Kevin Ross have both previously voiced the difficulties that they’ve faced in their careers before the emergence of GLORY,LionFight, Bellator Kickboxing and Muay Thai Grand Prix in recent years. Even kickboxing has struggled especially since the “Golden era” of the ‘old skool’ K-1 days in Japan.
However the tide would seem to be turning for both Muay Thai and kickboxing especially now that the UFC have, for the first time ever, partnered with another sporting promotion i.e. GLORY Kickboxing to be their PPV online media partner via UFC Fight Pass for streaming, GLORY Collision: Rico Verhoeven vs Badr Hari.
Even UFC colour commentator, Joe Rogan has been voicing his support and love for K1/Thai rules and recently had Kevin Ross, Gaston Bolanos and their coach (CSA Gym owner), Kieran Fitzpatrick on the Joe Rogan Experience podcast which, Topic was delighted about for the long term benefit of the sport.
“It was great. I really hope that a lot of people tuned in. Kevin Ross really gave a really good explanation on you know, Muay Thai and the difference between the striking between Muay Thai and MMA and it pretty much how all of us Muay Thai fighters feel you know but we never really have a stage to say that; and I think he kinda opened up Joe Rogan’s eyes as well, you know with clinch and things like that because it doesn’t seem like a lot of those guys understand and know the difference between the two, the two sports. So its great that they were on the show and they were able to kind of give that differentiation.”
Rico Verhoeven vs Badr Hari is set to make kickboxing history on December 10 in Oberhausen, Germany where GLORY Collision takes centre stage at the, König Pilsener Arena. World kickboxing will excitedly tune in for what will certainly be a violent night of, ‘old skool vs. new school’ beef between, the “prince of kickboxing” and the “Golden Boy”; and the level of hostility between them has been on the ante since the infamous press conference at the, Heineken Music Hall in Amsterdam, Netherlands.
Despite his inactivity over the last couple of years, Badr Hari has been involved in some (if not most) of the biggest blockbuster fights in kickboxing so far, in a professional fighting career that is currently four years shy of two decades.
Two of the most explosive collisions from the past that instantly come to mind involving the Dutch born Moroccon are: his bitter feud with former K-1 World Grand Prix, Strikeforce and DREAM champion (now UFC heavyweight contender), Alistair Overeem; and more impressively, his emphatic first round KO of Semmy Schilt who, is a four time K-1 World GP champion and former King of Pancrase open weight champion (now retired) at It’s Showtime in 2009.
Standing at almost seven feet tall, Schilt is widely regarded as the greatest super heavyweight kickboxer of all time with an impressive list of success, titles and honours that no other has yet come close to competing with. He even managed to win the K-1 World GP three times in a row which, reinforces his dominance, during the peak of what was then the “Golden era”, or, as Rico Verhoeven puts it, ‘old skool’ kickboxing in Japan.
Rico Verhoeven has also fought Semmy Schilt back in 2012 in what was the GLORY Heavyweight Grand Slam a one-off event event of its type for the promotion (and a throwback to the 8-man tournaments of the K-1 days) at GLORY 4 in Tokyo, Japan. However, Schilt was too good on the night for Rico who, lost via unanimous decision at the quarter final stage. The “Hightower” would go on to secure his final trophy before later retiring from the sport as a legend.
Badr Hari was 24 years of age and had a fight record at the time of 101 fights (93 wins and eight defeats) when he shocked the world and knocked out Schilt in 2009. Whereas Verhoeven was 22 when he lost to the Dutch kickboxing legend and had a fight record then of 47 wins, nine loses and one draw. However, over the last five years a lot has happened in the lives and careers of both men especially for Hari who, has been subject to, a variety of alleged and or reported criminal cases; and has reportedly been held on remand too.
Whilst Badr Hari had more than his fair share of reported personal issues over the last half-a-decade, Rico Verhoeven has grown as both a man and as a professional fighter since his defeat to Schilt and carries himself as a role model of the sport. Ever since that defeat, he has been on a great run of form with 11 wins (since 2012) and only one decision loss to, Andrey Gerasimchuk at Kunlun Fight 15 in 2015. Rico also won his MMA debut which, prompted even stronger rumours, that he would be making the transition from kickboxing to MMA in 2017; and that the UFC were allegedly monitoring the situation.
Many including Rico Verhoeven, have cast serious doubt over Badr Hari being physically sharp enough come December 10, compared to how he use to be in years gone by i.e. before all the reported troubles and Badr’s overlapping period of inactivity. However, Hari last fought in August 2015 and won by third round TKO against GLORY heavyweight, Ismael Londt in a right rollercoaster of a fight at, Akhmat Fight Show in Grozny, Russia.
Legendary kickboxing coach, Mike Passenier coaches Badr Hari and is confident that the “Golden Boy” will be in the best shape possible for Rico Verhoeven; especially with sufficient time and efficient preparation being implemented since ‘Collision’ was confirmed during the summer. Without a shadow of a doubt, both heavyweights will have the ‘bit between their teeth’ to give their all in the ring (and in their respective fight camps) to be the victor in Oberhausen in kickboxing’s very own, ‘good guy vs. bad guy’.
In this podcast Vinny & Eric are joined by DJ, producer, podcaster, internet personality and now student at Vinny’s Staten Island Muay Thai gym, Emilio Sparks. Emilio is the host of two successful podcasts: Wrassle Rap (Top 20 on iTunes) and The Emilio Sparks Experience. He also works for Eminem’s exclusive Hip Hop station, Shade 45 on Sirius XM. In this podcast Vinny, Eric, and Emilio discuss the problem with the unnecessary number of “rule sets” for Muay Thai and Kickboxing in the U.S., whether or not the tradition of respect and honor in martial arts is dying out, Vinny goes off on MMA as usual, and we discuss the UFC becoming more like the WWE. This podcast is definitely a mixed bag of chaos and we had a lot of fun doing it. Enjoy!
As most of you know The Striking Corner is a website and media outlet dedicated to further promoting Muay Thai and Kickboxing. We usually steer clear of MMA. But when big fights happen in the MMA world, we can’t avoid talking about them.
Ronda Rousey’s influence on the world of MMA and Martial Arts as a whole is undeniable. Especially when it comes to showcasing that women can indeed fight just as well and be just exciting, if not more so at times, then the guys. As martial arts that love the respect and humility frequently shown in Muay Thai, we can’t say that we agreed with Ronda’s trash talk, attitude, and many times arrogance. But how much of that is really Ronda and how much of it is the UFC hype machine trying to build up an event? Only those closest to her really know.
The truth is in that in fighting sports such as Muay Thai, Kickboxing, and MMA it is very difficult to rermain undefeated at the highest level. Almost impossible. For a few years now, Ronda Rousey has had that aura of invincibility. Many people fell in love with her because she was seemingly invincible, while others wanted to see her fall.
That comes with stardom.
And Ronda Rousey is a star in more ways then one. But even the greatest of champions eventually fall. Sometimes due to their own hubris and after many victories, some fighters begin to believe the hype built around them about being unbeatable. Ronda may have done so before her fight with Holly Holm. Or it could simply be that in Holm she faced a fighter that was simply better than her on that night. This is our highlight of what was an amazing upset and great fight. And the fact that a main event fight between two women became the talk of the town during an entre weekend and week, shows how far we have come in society. The women have definitely made their mark. ENJOY!